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Washington Dispatch: On Wednesday the Supreme Court will hear what may be the most significant voting rights case since Bush v. Gore—and it could affect the outcome of the 2008 presidential election.

January 8, 2008


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Ever since the 2000 presidential election, Republicans have been aggressively promoting the notion that Americans everywhere are impersonating their neighbors or dead people so they can sneak into polling booths and pull a few extra levers for Democrats. In 2006, according to the New York Times, Karl Rove told a group of GOP lawyers that election fraud was "an enormous and growing" problem, alleging that in some parts of the country "we have elections like those run in countries where the guys in charge are colonels in mirrored sunglasses."

Egged on by the White House, GOP legislators in many states responded by passing legislation they claimed would restore integrity to the system by forcing voters to show government-issued ID before casting a ballot. Partisan interests in these laws have been only thinly veiled, largely because voter-ID laws prevent a lot of people from voting, specifically poor, elderly, and minority voters who disproportionately vote Democratic. Last year, when Texas was considering such a law, the former political director of the Texas Republican Party told the Houston Chronicle that requiring photo ID could cause legitimate Democratic voting to drop off enough to boost GOP prospects by 3 percent.

Not surprisingly, the latest wave of voter ID laws have generated mountains of litigation, mostly initiated by the Democratic Party. The courts have struck down a couple of the most egregious laws. For instance, a Missouri court ruled in 2006 that a state law requiring photo ID to cast a ballot was an unconstitutional infringement on the right to vote akin to a poll tax because the paperwork required to get the ID was not free. But federal courts have also upheld several of these laws, including one in the state of Indiana considered the strictest in the country. That law will get the scrutiny of the U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday, in what promises to be a bitter partisan legal brawl of the sort the court has been avoiding since it put George W. Bush into office in 2000. It could well be the most significant voting rights case since Bush v. Gore and could have a direct impact on the outcome of the 2008 presidential election. If the court upholds the law, other states will be free to pass similarly strict laws that could potentially shut out millions of voters from exercising their constitutional right to vote.

Crawford v. Marion County Election Board centers on a 2005 Indiana law that requires voters to present a current, government-issued photo ID before casting a ballot. Voters without the ID can cast a provisional ballot but then must return within 10 days with the right documentation for it to be counted. At least 10 percent of Indiana voters don't have the requisite ID, nor do as many as 22 percent of registered African American voters. The cases before the Supreme Court have been brought by the state Democratic Party, civil rights groups, and state legislators who have argued that the law puts an untenable burden on the people they represent, many of whom would be shut out of polling places because they wouldn't be able to get the ID due to lack of birth certificates and other critical paperwork.

Nonetheless, the plaintiffs in Indiana haven't fared too well so far. They lost their case in the trial court, and also on appeal. Still, the lower courts have acknowledged that the ID law will have a disproportionate impact on Democrats, as well as minority and poor voters. In his decision affirming the trial court's decision, 7th Circuit Judge Richard Posner said as much, but went on to dismiss these concerns on the grounds that "a great many people who are eligible to vote don't bother to do so. Many don't register, many who do register still don't vote, or vote infrequently. The benefits of voting to the individual are elusive." Posner argued that it doesn't take much to deter people from voting. As such, he said he had no doubt that the new voter-ID law would prompt a lot of people who forgot their ID when they went to vote to say "what the hell" and not vote, rather than go home and get their driver's license. Even so, he said the state's interest in the integrity of the election process outweighed those concerns.

Posner's blasé attitude toward the right to vote didn't sit well with all of his colleagues on the bench. In a vigorous dissent, Judge Terence Evans wrote, "Let's not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID law is a not-too-thinly-veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic." Evans noted that Indiana has admitted that no one in state history had ever been prosecuted for voter impersonation fraud. Observing the paucity of evidence to support claims of rampant voter fraud, Evans wrote, "[W]here is the justification for this law? Is it wise to use a sledgehammer to hit either a real or imaginary fly on a glass coffee table? I think not."

The debate is likely to be replayed in earnest in oral arguments Wednesday before the Supreme Court, which will be hard pressed to come up with a decision that satisfies everyone. At a press briefing on the case last week sponsored by the American Constitution Society in Washington, D.C., Deborah Goldberg, the Democracy Program Director at the Brennan Center for Justice, previewed some of the plaintiffs' arguments against the Indiana law. "The type of voter fraud that voter ID would prevent does not happen. There is no evidence of a serious problem," Goldberg said, noting that even if some of the alleged fraud did occur, there is also little evidence that the Indiana ID law would deter it. (The Brennan Center recently released a new report on voter fraud, which you can read here.)

Panelists pointed out that the U.S. Department of Justice had gone on a six-year wild-goose chase of an investigation into voter fraud that turned up exactly zero fraud cases but resulted in a major scandal for the White House over the politically motivated firings of U.S. Attorneys.

While Goldberg hammered at the lack of concrete evidence of widespread voter fraud, Bradley A. Smith, a former Republican chairman of the Federal Election Commission, suggested that one reason the plaintiffs keep losing in Indiana is that they can't find anyone who was actually prevented from voting because of the ID law, either. (Indeed, none of the plaintiffs claimed that the law had prevented them from voting, though later briefs filed with the Supreme Court include stories from people who claim they were turned away from the polls.) Like Posner, Smith argued that there was nothing wrong with state's creating some hurdles to voting to preserve the integrity of the system. "Some people just won't vote," says Smith, who argued that there are lots of burdens on voting—registration, long lines at the polls—but not all of them are constitutional violations. "Affected is not disenfranchised," he said.

Because of the potential impact on the upcoming elections, Smith hoped the court would take a "wait and see" approach, and avoid doing anything radical until there was more evidence that people had actually been harmed by the new law. If the justices sidestep the major issues, he said, "This may be the court's big much ado about nothing case of the term."

Stephanie Mencimer is a reporter in Mother Jones' Washington, D.C., bureau and the author of Blocking the Courthouse Door: How the Republican Party and Its Corporate Allies Are Taking Away Your Right to Sue (Free Press, 2006).



 

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As much as I cannot stand Karl Rove it REALLY confuses me that you can vote without showing an ID. How the hell is that possible? It seems like total common sense to require ID in order to check people off the list. Perhaps certain improvements need to be made in order to ensure that all eligible voters have a chance, but such improvement would likely improve turn-out anyway. Why don't Democrats support this?
Posted by:Kanno PannoJanuary 8, 2008 11:05:41 AMRespond ^
Kanno Panno, If ID cards were available free to any and all people, then maybe these laws would be reasonable. But as far as I know, getting a gov't issue ID or driver's license or passport costs money. Therefore it becomes a poll tax. Therefore, it is unconstitutional.
Posted by:blueJanuary 8, 2008 11:17:24 AMRespond ^
Didn't they just have an Ohio story basically saying there was a problem with the voting process itself, there? Doesn't do any good if the people that show up at the polling station are, in fact, legit, if the system for gathering those votes has problems. Then again, how much does the vote really matter when you've got a Florida? What happened THERE? Hmmm....
Posted by:BertJanuary 8, 2008 1:04:24 PMRespond ^
but if you have a law requiring you to have a state or national id on person at anytime, (as in KY) then it is not a poll tax. Then it gets into the national id debate... which I've come on the 'no' side (if there were a national list of acceptable ID, i'm thinking birth cert, passport, sscard, st id, drivers license, military id, etc.) or.... make it free! Why did I have to pay $5 in KY for a drivers license and $10 in Chicago for a state ID. And I'm not sold on the idea that if you're poor you have no identification... how do you collect your welfare or go to the free clinic? (I don't know)... or is it the specific type of ID? Seems like all states offer state ids (not driver's licenses, and can make them free)
Posted by:dustinchicagoJanuary 8, 2008 2:35:20 PMRespond ^
blue - that's a good point. I assumed that you could get some kind of free ID anywhere. Obviously you should be able to do that.
Posted by:Kanno PannoJanuary 8, 2008 3:31:48 PMRespond ^
If you do not already have a state-issued ID card, it is nearly impossible to get one in Indiana! My younger son, age 14, wanted to get a state ID card for a variety of reasons. So husband took him in to the driver's license branch to get one. They balked at it, even though he had a parent there (who looks just like him, only older and with a beard), a birth certificate, baptism certificate, social security card, and even newspaper clippings with his photograph (which I had put in the envelope as a JOKE, for crying out loud!) He had no "school" ID because we homeschooled. (Good thing I had not gone for a home birth, too, huh?) My husband then said, "Look, you have to start somewhere to get a FIRST identification card." They finally gave him a photo ID. Did I mention that we are white, employed, and look like decent, law-abiding folks? Imagine the prospect if you are a minority member who has never had a driver's license, for whatever reason.
Posted by:HoosierNanJanuary 9, 2008 4:56:50 AMRespond ^
You can get a free ID in Indiana - well, they don't charge you money, anyway. It is a hassle proving that you are who you say you are, but some of that comes from the feds.
Posted by:ParkerJanuary 9, 2008 6:42:59 AMRespond ^
I miss the good ol' days when anybody and his brother, dead or alive could vote.
Posted by:RaulJanuary 9, 2008 6:43:51 AMRespond ^
Why not just have everyone provide finger prints?
Posted by:HJanuary 9, 2008 9:11:17 AMRespond ^
Jim Crow anybody? While identification should be neccessary, a specific one that only certain people know about is not that far off from the tests black people would be forced to take to have any chance at voting in the Jim Crow South.
Posted by:JasonJanuary 9, 2008 10:25:56 AMRespond ^
Hey - all the states should adopt Oregon's approach. We vote by mail here. The ballots are mailed to all registered voter's homes along with voter pamplets explaining candidates & state initiatives. Nothing like voting in the comforts of your own home and dropping the ballot in the mail or at a polling place. No ID required!
Posted by:lisaJanuary 9, 2008 11:18:13 AMRespond ^
The GOPs argument is we don't want people voting more than once. Okay, rather than an ID, lets do the Iraqi thumb ink. Why not? Seems like that would be an easier, quicker means of making sure someone votes once. And no one should be disenfranchised.
Posted by:blueJanuary 9, 2008 11:52:24 AMRespond ^
This is distraction from a much more legitimate and serious issue: Fixed elections via electronic voting machines. Cover story of Sunday's NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html
Posted by:NikiJanuary 9, 2008 12:52:47 PMRespond ^
There's no 'lack of concrete evidence of widespread voter fraud'. Rather, there is incontrovertible evidence that this is a canard. Now, vote suppression, that's the horse of a different color you've heard about, and it's the specialty of the smokescreen purveyors that not only claim voter fraud, but prosecute innocent people. You can't vote without showing identification. That's why God made voter registration cards and sends you utility bills in the mail at your legal residence.
Posted by:michael johnsonJanuary 9, 2008 1:04:40 PMRespond ^
Nikki is absolutely on target. All of this (and much more) is a transparent tactic to distract the people. And, unfortunately, the people are often easily distracted.
Posted by:KeelyJanuary 9, 2008 3:14:38 PMRespond ^
My right to vote provides me with a brief moment of concern and interest from elected officials. Otherwise, they don't give a damn about me, or what I think. Last election, I called the local board of elections, to confirm the address of the polling location, ID requirements, and to make sure my registration hadn't been "misplaced". Fortunately, for me. When I presented my lovely black face at the polls, I was immediately challenged and would have been intimidated into leaving had I not checked in advance to make sure I was in compliance. I continue to wonder how often this happens, and how many people are chased away by these under the radar games.
Posted by:marymomgretJanuary 9, 2008 5:25:51 PMRespond ^
This sounds like a way for States to get around the 24th amendment(anti poll tax amendment) without appearing to be biased(Ha-Ha).
Posted by:Tom KuglerJanuary 9, 2008 7:19:14 PMRespond ^
Yes, we have seen what the "wait and see" attitude does. Pollution, until it just can't be ignored. Corporate profits and corporate greed are tied to both voter disenfranchisement and pollution. As a friend of the court, I suggest that some judges start looking at the people affected, and not in their pocketbooks where all those elections funds are being poured. After all, this country was founded on the principles; "OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE." Not on the premise that SHRUB BUD and his croanies in corporate offices and business suits have the rights to write and dictate the laws in this country. Herbert Hoover once said, "The business of America is Business!" He was a paucitic blight on the country then and his statement is no more correct today than it was then. This country belongs to the people; poor, wealthy, middle class, sewer worker, housewife, pilot, veteran and soldier. Each of us has one vote. Whether we chose to exercise that right, is up to each individual, not the Corporate Republican bilkers who would like to run the world into the ground to put it into their pockets. Anarchy seems to be a foul word, until one reads that Thomas Jefferson suggested that every so often a government needs a good shake up, and to do that the PEOPLE will need to take the reins away from the corporate houligans who are now in control to accomplish that end.
Posted by:Harasho PuckJanuary 9, 2008 8:06:46 PMRespond ^
Kanno Panno, You mayhaps are too young to remember, but my Grandmother never drove a car. What use did she have for a driver's license? There are people today, many of them poor, who still do not drive. They do not travel, so they would not have a need for a passport. They are relatively healthy, and probably can't afford health care any way, so they don't have insurance cards (which, by the way, are not government issued). SO, with no form of picture ID, or a birth certificate (For many different reasons)you feel that your grandmother shouldn't be allowed to vote. Well, I will be escorting my Grandmother to the polls in November. Let someone tell her she can't vote. I think they will have a fight on their hands.
Posted by:Harasho PuckJanuary 9, 2008 8:13:31 PMRespond ^
DustinChicago, Let's see, how will you enforce ID laws as you suggest in a pool, at a Nudist Resort, in a bath? You paid a fee for your driver's license to pay the examiner's salary and to fill some beauraucrat's pocket. Just because there is a law, that doesn't make it constitutional or valid. If that was true, we would still have slavery in the U.S. and women would not be voting or running for office. That would tick off my Ol' Ganma...
Posted by:Harasho PuckJanuary 9, 2008 8:18:57 PMRespond ^
In our state, one of the accepted ID's is a credit card - which does NOT have to have a picture on it, just a regular credit card. We also have, in the Lexington Metropolitan Area, about 30,000-40,000 illegal aliens. There is absolutely nothing stopping one legal or semi-legal person from getting a credit card, and then spend all day passing it around to their illegal buddies. As long as they worked it out so that there was one voter per precinct and a voter registration sent in for an address in each precinct, it would absolutely work. All they would have to do is get the credit card, for example, in the name of Manuel Alexandro Guillermo Sanchez or some such and register Manuel Sanchez, and M. Alex G. Sanchez, and Manual A. Guillermo-Sanchez, and And M. A. Guillermo Sanchez, etc. and so on, and the county clerk computers would never figure it out. When we were told, before the last election, about this provision in the law at our training session, we were all dumbfounded. The trainer just shrugged and said, "I didn't make the law. Write your representatives if you don't like it." A picture ID might not stop 100% of that, but at least the poll worker would have some grounds to fill out a "suspicion" form. If several did so and the names were similar, only then would the clerk's office realize something was up and investigate. As it is now, the vote can absolutely be skewed. A picture ID should be mandatory.
Posted by:Lex. Kentucky Poll WorkerJanuary 9, 2008 8:56:28 PMRespond ^
The attempt to force people to pay for proof of citizenship and therefore right to vote means poor people will have to starve to vote,so the rich people don't have to sweat.They win.
Posted by:Leonard KnollJanuary 9, 2008 9:20:19 PMRespond ^
So a few legal bums named by Bush Sr or Jr or other similar ideological icons have the right to decide who has the right to vote? We know on whose side they're on, don't we? The dollar bill powers have won it all! Democracy is in the process of becoming a rich man's game! They spend hundreds of millions of dollars to get elected and now they will be elected by people of the same ilk. Just like the Athens of Ancient Greece, when there were 10 000 voters in a city of more than 200 000. And these "elected" people get to "nominate" the Supreme Court members. Preferably, the candidates are anti-abortion, prefer God to Darwin, have sent a few people to their death during the course of their careers and adhere to the ideological framework of their masters. If democracy is brought to a slow death in America, it cannot flourish in parts of the world where it is sorely needed. What a shame! I dearly love America but I can't accept the injustice done to the Iraquis. I can't accept the millions of people without health care in the richest country in the world. I can't accept injustice. If the politicians really care about the voters, let them spend their money on buying ID's for people who can't afford them.
Posted by:Pierre PicardJanuary 9, 2008 11:29:37 PMRespond ^
Excellent point Niki and others. This issue of voter fraud is important and relevant(I'm against the ID/Real ID requirements/poll tax/voter disenfranchisement) but it amounts to arguing what color to paint the steaming pile manure on the living room rug. We're still voting for two candidates that represent less than 3 degrees of the 360 degree political spectrum. The election is set up that we are buying a product in a fixed system. Election reform should be the number one goal. A complete revamp of the system. Level the playing field so that candidates for actual and real change have a chance.
Posted by:nakisJanuary 10, 2008 5:15:16 AMRespond ^
Lex. Kentucky Poll Worker, Do you really think that undocumented immigrants have the time to pull off this scenario in which you describe? I have a feeling they are too busy working for the few meager dollars they will get paid for the mowing, constructing or washing they are doing. Besides, what is their incentive to do this? And if this plan really was successful, the likihood of it actually chaning an election result is just about zero. Much less likely than political operatives running caging schemes or whatever other trick they can come up with.
Posted by:blueJanuary 10, 2008 6:52:29 AMRespond ^
One aspect of voter ID discrimination is the gender factor. The voter ID is intended to prevent minorities and elderly from voting because they favor Democratic candidates.Most elderly voters ARE ELDERLY WOMEN.If these voters are discriminated against and prevented from voting, de facto, they won't be able to vote against those who discriminate against them.
Posted by:bogi666January 10, 2008 7:01:44 AMRespond ^
Those who vote decide NOTHING Those who count the votes decide EVERYTHING
Posted by:peacemanJanuary 10, 2008 7:51:00 AMRespond ^
Talk about smoke and mirrors! Millions spent on surveillance of American citizens but hassles to get a Photo ID! That's govt in AmeriKKKa for ya!
Posted by:Fritz the CatJanuary 10, 2008 8:17:45 AMRespond ^
Right on Fritz the cat! Millions - more like billions - spent to spy on Americans, to tap their phones and peek into their bank records, to find illegals and terrorists hiding out in the Homeland. One way of collecting information that won't be tried in our lifetimes is the cheapest and most sensible: require American citizens to register free of charge with local authorities when changing address. This could be accomplished with a national citizen registration law that requires citizens to go to an office in the Town Hall and present their new address and a permanent form of ID. No credit cards please! I'd limit the possibilites to either a passport or an Social Security card with picture - the ID must demonstrate citizenship. No fees would be needed because the costs of running the offices and databank would be paid a hundred times over by the savings resulting from municipalities being able to close voter registration offices, from the federal government being able to close down the census bureau, from the INS being able to end all border fortification and patrol programs and reduce staffing at airports. Never happen of course. It would be un-American to require citizens to provide their government with the piece of information that a government must have if it is to genuinely serve the people - namely how many people there are to govern! For example, how many elligible voters are there in the United States? They counted 8 years ago and some of those who got counted are probably still registered. We'll just have to wait an see who registers...
Posted by:o'scrodJanuary 10, 2008 12:37:43 PMRespond ^
Folks here can't seem to read. Indiana will give you a free ID. Why is the integrity of the election given so little consideration by some?
Posted by:JamesJanuary 10, 2008 1:37:54 PMRespond ^
For the record, my email address is guadamour@yahoo.com This is another example of the neocons trying to dis-enfranchise the people of the United States of America. If there is no voter identity fraud, why do we need a law to fix it? The people of this country currently suffer from way too many laws!
Posted by:Shaine B. ParkerJanuary 10, 2008 1:49:23 PMRespond ^
The quote you give is from Calvin Coolidge and no Herbert Hoover.
Posted by:Shaine ParkerJanuary 10, 2008 1:58:40 PMRespond ^
James, the integrity of the vote is not in question -- because THIS IS A NON-ISSUE. Of course, the Faux "News" talking points will all expound upon the flood of illegal votes. No such "flood" exists. Okay, though. Let's say we go ahead and require picture ID to vote. How will that help? HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF FAKE IDs? Ask your average 16-17 year old how he managed to buy a beer and you'll figure it out. Duh...
Posted by:Zipper JohnJanuary 11, 2008 11:46:02 AMRespond ^
Way back when. I remember in social studies classes, it was explained to us that one of the differences between our democracy and totalitarian states was that totalitarian states required it's citizens to carry ID's so that the movement of the people could be tracked but that our great country didn't have that requirement. Which was one of our freedoms that many people have suffered and died for. I know I did'nt just dream that. Is this just another step toward what appears to be an inevitable slide toward a totalitarian state? I don't know, but I do know that there are forces in this country who would like nothing better. And they will use any excuse to move us in that direction. xvet
Posted by:xvetJanuary 11, 2008 11:51:48 AMRespond ^
xvet, one of the differences between our tattered democracy and other less-tattered democracies is that here eligible voters have to jump through a freaky hoop before they can vote. The hoop is called voter registration and depending on where you live and what you look like this can be either a big, wide opening or a sewer cap. To make this country the great democracy that your teacher crowed about, we need to get rid of this hoop by introducing a uniform citizens registration process which would require that citizens produce some form of authentic ID, in my opinion either a passport of a picture Social Security card. There could also be a national ID card. It would not be used by the government to spy on us (it's already doing that). It would allow the government to better serve us, for example by allowing local officials to efficiently run their citizen registration office and thereby recognize quickly that for example there are 500 more teenagers in town this year than there were last year, or that the south side of town needs another playground.
Posted by:o'scrodJanuary 11, 2008 12:39:50 PMRespond ^
The citizens registration office would also inform eligible voters of where and how to vote in upcoming elections.
Posted by:o'scrodJanuary 11, 2008 1:03:31 PMRespond ^
There is a progressive argument for national photo ID. It begins with the acknowledgment that citizen and government both benefit from having contact with one another. Government is necessarily bureaucratic and so the question is at what bureaucratic level should the contact require photo ID. What is lowdown and Rovian about the Indiana law and its cousins is that they require photo ID at a lousy bureaucratic level, at one that makes little sense unless you want to somehow manipulate voting. It makes much more sense to move the photo ID requirement up the bureaucratic hierarchy, for example to a level that I call the citizen registration office. This is an office in which citizens could also for example register their cars, renew their licenses and pay tax bills. Simultaneously the government would have to make photo IDs free and easily available. It's no argument to say that some people can't handle photo IDs.
Posted by:o'scrodJanuary 12, 2008 1:41:20 AMRespond ^
I don't understand why, if a party sees that "their" voters have an issue getting to the polls, that party can't address it as both parties have done in the past with bussing to polling places, registering individuals to vote, and the like. As an Indiana resident, I've never questioned the requirement for photo ID--it makes sense that you should be required to verify who you are in order to vote. I can see a lack of photo ID opening doors to fraud that identification stops. And to the argument I've heard that this closes the polls to the elderly and poor who don't drive, there are goverment-issued ID cards that are NOT driver's licenses and that, I believe here in Indiana, can be obtained for free.
Posted by:HyalineJanuary 12, 2008 12:54:01 PMRespond ^
I think the popular vote should elect the President.
Posted by:DebbieJanuary 13, 2008 3:52:49 PMRespond ^
They should have some kind of check for ballot counters.
Posted by:DebbieJanuary 13, 2008 3:55:54 PMRespond ^
We should all have to have identication that is legal in order to vote. The right thing to do is not a hard choice. I believe we need to go back to paper or mail in ballets until the ability to cheat has gone away.
Posted by:star555January 14, 2008 10:26:36 PMRespond ^
We need picture valid id's in order to vote. If on can not afford on it should be given to them without cost.
Posted by:star555January 14, 2008 10:39:17 PMRespond ^
It's a solution in search of a (non existent) problem. The EAC commissioned their own investigation of the impact of Voter Fraud which took 2 years to complete. When that report was ready, the not only EAC tried to hide the results, the commission fraudulently edited the summary in an attempt to paint a different picture than the data had found! The EAC Voter Fraud report found NO SIGNIFICANT IMPACT from actual voter fraud. NONE ZERO ZILCH NADA. Here's the simple google search. http://www.google.com/search?c lient=firefox-a&rls=org.mozill a%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=e n&q=EAC+Voter+Fraud+Report&btnG=Google+Search The specter of voter fraud is a lie, and those who push that lie are counting on you being too lazy to spend 5 minutes doing your own research on the subject. If there ISN'T a problem, please tell me why you would implement a solution that WILL lock 10's of thousands of legitimate voters out of their constitutionally protected civic duty with restrictive and costly solutions to a problem that DOESN'T EXIST?
Posted by:Dan-in-PAJanuary 15, 2008 11:40:30 AMRespond ^
This idea of voter I.D. to prevent fraud is a bunch of hooey! In Indiana, just like Georgia, all the voter ID laws were introduced by Republicans. I don't care what they are saying, it was done to infringe on the rights of some voters to vote. ( A la Karl Rove and Gonzo) And because of the people it affects the most, it will hurt Democrats more than Republicans. In Georgia, Cecil Staton, the Repug that introduced the law, under pressure from opponents, says he will address the absentee voting requirements next. Now that he has got what he wants, repression of potential Dem voters, it'll will be a cold day in hell before absentee voter fraud ia addressed.
Posted by:donJanuary 17, 2008 5:36:02 AMRespond ^
Why do the Republicans fight over a requirement that electronic voting machines produce a print out that can be used for a recount? And why isn't more heard about this????? Remember Florida? Governer Jeb Bush? State Secretary of State Kathleen Harris? That was the horrible debaucle that installed George Bush in office? Couldn't it happen again? Write your congressmen! Demand that ALL votes can be recounted! As it is these machines can be easily rigged, votes lost, and elections tampered.
Posted by:Harmony1812January 17, 2008 1:30:38 PMRespond ^
In 1984 arizona started the motor voter registration. When I turned 16 in that year. I applied for on on drivers licence and was asked if I wanted to register to vote along with my application. I said yes. Didn't think much of the of it until november of that year. I whent with my father to our local polling place for the general election. I'm standing around and I think.... You know what... Im registered to vote. So I gave my name, the good folks runing the joint found my name, gave me on on ballot, then I voted for RONALD REAGAN. What the H-E-double hockey sticks was I thinking. Voter id is on on very good idea.
Posted by:allenJanuary 26, 2008 9:21:02 PMRespond ^
what are todays voter regestratin requirnments
Posted by:savannahJanuary 27, 2008 6:04:04 PMRespond ^
Zipper John: If you believe that voter fraud is a non-issue then you are naive. Just look at at fine city of Chicago with is history of voter fraud or LBJ's stolen 1948 U.S. Senate election in the infamous "Box 13" voter fraud scandal in Duval Co., TX and is still going on in Duval as recently as 2006.
Posted by:JamesJanuary 28, 2008 8:14:21 AMRespond ^
xvet: I wonder what social studies class you went to? France and the Netherlands are just two examples of countries with national ID and neither would be considered a totalitarian state.
Posted by:JamesJanuary 28, 2008 8:23:32 AMRespond ^
Picture I.D.s to vote? It is about freakin time.
Posted by:Lois DogeyApril 29, 2008 3:36:41 PMRespond ^
You won't vote in Kentucky without a proof of citizenship verification; this came from the county court clerk's mouth as I expressed concerns about illegals voting here.
This must be a S.S. card, driver's license, etc.
You also cant't get license here wihtout proof of citizenship.
And who doesn't have some form of picture I.D?
Get one.
Posted by:J. HulseyAugust 18, 2008 11:19:53 PMRespond ^
In the first GW.Bush"election"win,the Republican-controlled State Legislature in Missouri stationed a cop at every polling place,especially in minority neighborhoods to watch for"voter fraud".I was challenged by a cop who asked me for a picture ID.I told him that the State Law didn't require a picture ID.He looked me over and backed down.He took another defeat when the poll workers joked that I was a regular and that my signature"looked like the real John Hancock."
This cop-inside-the-polling place was nothing but intimidation.I thought about how many people were turned away by those policemen just on the lying word of a law officer?How many people who had outstanding parking tickets left before voting,afraid that the cop had a list and could arrest them on the spot?Or just intimidated because they're afraid of police from some personal confrontation?I've been voting for over fifty years and the last two Presidential elections are the only times that police were stationed inside the polling places!They're plentiful during the primaries because of the politicking by workers hired by the candidates.They're not allowed to campaign within a certain number of feet from the polling place,and the judges are quick to call the cops if this isn't adhered to.They're protecting the peace,which is their duty.
One Missouri voter was arrested by the police for not displaying a photo ID at his polling place!Here's the link to a blog detailing the horror of it all:
It's a shame that,in this country,minorities are told that voting is a privilege that can be taken away at any time and the rest of the mostly-white population are taught that voting is a right that should be practiced frequently.This is politics at a low level,just a plain racialism smoke screen that obscures the more harmful class warfare that the rulers fear,for good reason.We'll be passing off to our children and grandchildren the tremendous debt caused by greed of the rich and its aftermath.McCain and Palin are whipping up the lingering hate caused by the elite to aim your anger at Obama.What a telling moment it was when an elderly white woman told McCain that she read/heard that he,Obama"was an Arab".McCain took the mike back and told her and,by proxy,all of the other people duped by his distorted campaign that it was an untruth.Remember,this the same McCain who referred to Obama as"this one!"during the debate.He's set the tone,Palin spouts the venom because she's a perfect vehicle for hate.A woman who is worth lynching for.They'll be lots of blame to go around if some harm comes to Obama because of the crowds whipped to a fever pitch of hate.Remember,the whole world is watching!
I could have injected a more progressive tone in this post,but until the Americans who say that they love this country put aside race and vote to save the country from the ruin its suffered under Bush,I will have no recourse but to tell you these ugly truths about our country.
Posted by:KissdskyeOctober 16, 2008 12:39:53 AMRespond ^
I want to let you know that the link to bradblog.com was removed from my post but was allowed in other ones.Mother Jones is rolling over in her grave again because of the magazine's"off mission"again.Censorship?
Posted by:kissdskyeOctober 16, 2008 12:50:49 AMRespond ^
K - So quick to accuse! Comments on this page, but not on the blogs, are automatically striped of code. Kevin says mj is going to be launching a new website soon. You should just type in the url.
Posted by:BrianOctober 16, 2008 10:59:08 AMRespond ^
You can't do anything without a photo ID. Why should casting your vote be any different?
Posted by:TimNovember 3, 2008 4:11:02 PMRespond ^

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